Fighting Evil

Senator Barack Obama
Senator John McCain

Summary

• Believes there is evil.
• Frames evil primarily in domestic, civil-societal terms
• Urges caution against being too quick to define something as evil

Summary

• Believes there is evil.
• Speaks in terms of defeating it.
• Frames evil in terms of a foreign policy challenge to the United States

Warren: Does evil exist? And if it does do we ignore it, do we negotiate with it, do we contain it or do we defeat it?

Obama: Evil does exist. I mean, I think we see evil all the time. We see evil in Darfur. We see evil, sadly, on the streets of our cities. We see evil in parents who viciously abuse their children. And I think it has to be confronted. It has to be confronted squarely.

And one of the things that I strongly believe is that, you know, we are not going to, as individuals, be able to erase evil from the world; that is God's task. But we can be soldiers in that process, and we can confront it when we see it.

Now, the one thing that I think is very important is for us to have some humility in how we approach the issue of confronting evil because, you know, a lot of evil has been perpetrated based on the claim that we were trying to confront evil.

[Warren: In the name of good?]

In the name of good. And I think, you know, one thing that's very important is having some humility in recognizing that, you know, just because we think our intentions are good doesn't always mean that we're going to be doing good.

Warren: How about the issue of evil? I asked this of your rival in the previous thing. Does evil exist and if so, should we ignore it, negotiate with it, contain it or defeat it?

McCain: Defeat it.

Couple points: one, if I’m President of the United States, my friends, if I have to follow him to the gates of hell, I will get Osama Bin Laden and bring him to justice. I will do that and I know how to do it. I will get that done. No one, no one should be allowed to take thousands of American — innocent American lives. Of course, evil must be defeated.

My friends, we are facing the transcendent challenge of the 21-century: radical Islamic extremism. Not long ago in Baghdad, al-Qaeda took two young women who were mentally disabled and put suicide vests on them, sent them into a marketplace and by remote control, detonated those suicide vests. If that isn't evil, you have to tell me what is — and we're going to defeat this evil.

And the central battleground, according to David Petraeus and Osama Bin Laden, is the battles — is Baghdad, Mozil and Iraq. And we are winning and we are succeeding, and our troops will come home with honor and with victory, and not in defeat. And that's what's happening.

We have — and we face this threat throughout the world. It’s not just in Iraq. It's not just in Afghanistan. Our intelligence people tell us Al-Qaeda continues to try to establish cells here in the United States of America.

My friends, we must face this challenge. We can face this challenge and we must totally defeat it. And we're in a long struggle, but when I’m around the young men and women who are serving this nation in uniform, I have no doubts. None.

August 16, 2008
Lake Forest, CA
Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency
Hosted by Rick Warren

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August 16, 2008
Lake Forest, CA
Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency
Hosted by Rick Warren

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